David Mincica vintage slotcars collection - DMI/Elmodan info

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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav slotcar7 17 maj 2010, 18:41

Hi guys, some more sets.. :)

An Italian Monteleone, 60s, not really a slot cars set, but quite rare..
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One of the jewels in the collection: a Marusan Rolls-Royce Red Cross single lane set MIB, 60s, really rare..and take a look at the lid: a view of a Japanese street crossing in the Sixties..
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And how it's inside..
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A PMC set from Hong Kong, 60s..
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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav Crewe Alex 18 maj 2010, 00:48

Just to comment some issues in this thread.

slotcar7 skrev:2-Can someone of yours explain me why everything about Faller Club Racing 1/24 is so expensive? Is it something so rare, or what?

Faller isn't my speciality but I hope someone can give some explanation to this.

Then the Behco cars... or Becho... or BEHCO... or BECHO???? :cuckoo: :cuckoo: I mean what is the correct spelling? All four spellings are used and often mixed in the same book or magazine. Is there any evidence that there were manufacturing of plastic bodies in Sweden at that time? Could they have been produced in France but sold under the brand connected to Bertil Beckman in Sweden?

And then Ravajack all credit to you for providing us with such great knowledge. :thumb: :thumb:
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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav slotcar7 18 maj 2010, 16:41

Hi everyone.. :) like Alex Crewe just said, the intellectuals of our forum are kindly asked to spread their knowledge.. :D

Also, in your books, can you find any news related to these brands, please?

1 - BUB Autobahn - Germany, 50s
2 - Paramount - Hong Kong, 60s
3 - Pedenco - Hong Kong, 60s
4 - Zee - Hong Kong, 60s
5 - Carloni - Italy, 60s
6 - Sila - Italy, 50s
7 - Unicar - Italy, 60s
8 - Kitty - Switzerland, 60s
9 - Welkut - UK, 50s
10- Any other almost unknown brands..

Let's try to make this forum "the" reference for all the vintage slot cars world.. :D

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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav Crewe Alex 18 maj 2010, 19:07

slotcar7 skrev:Hi everyone.. :) like Alex Crewe just said, the intellectuals of our forum are kindly asked to spread their knowledge.. :D

Also, in your books, can you find any news related to these brands, please?

1 - BUB Autobahn - Germany, 50s
2 - Paramount - Hong Kong, 60s
3 - Pedenco - Hong Kong, 60s
4 - Zee - Hong Kong, 60s
5 - Carloni - Italy, 60s
6 - Sila - Italy, 50s
7 - Unicar - Italy, 60s
8 - Kitty - Switzerland, 60s
9 - Welkut - UK, 50s
10- Any other almost unknown brands..

Let's try to make this forum "the" reference for all the vintage slot cars world.. :D

david


I don't know how much you know about these brands allready but I can give you some info regarding the Hong Kong brands and also Kitty. Just give me some hour to collect the info.
Also I have seen a book that I think is written by an Italian author regarding European slot car brands. It's supposed to cover all brands I think. Does anyone in this community have it? B-|

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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav Scalex 18 maj 2010, 19:27

Yepp :D
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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav Crewe Alex 18 maj 2010, 19:38

Scalex skrev:Yepp :D

Well I'm not surprised. :-P Anyway this is the book and what they write about it at slotcaracademy.com

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Slotcars made in Europe

Paolo Rampini

Slotcars made in Europe 1930-1980 is written by the Italian Paolo Rampini. The book gives an excellent overview of all models that have been produced in the European countries.
Paolo Rampini was born in 1949 in Milan, Italy. He wrote more than thirteen books about model cars in a period of twenty years.

Important book for model car lovers
The Golden book of Model Cars seems to be an important book for model car lovers. Slotcars made in Europe is the first book about slot cars. The book (hardcover) counts 128 pages and is self-published by the author at the end of 2003. The book was frequently offered in 2004 on Ebay for 75 Euro.

Book is rather costly
The quality of the photographs is poor and the compositions do not show creativity. All the models that are shown come from the collection of the author.
The general information is written in Italian and English, but the short stories about the manufacturers is sadly not translated into English. Models of forty-two European slot car brands are listed.
The book is rather costly but a very interesting read for slot car enthusiasts who are interested in the history of slot cars.
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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav Crewe Alex 18 maj 2010, 19:58

Här är bilden som försvann:
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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav Scalex 18 maj 2010, 20:31

Some pics from the book.
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...over and out.. :thumb:
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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav Crewe Alex 18 maj 2010, 21:02

Thanks Scalex. :thumb: Can you take it with you next time we meet? I would like to take a deeper look. :w00t:

Regarding Kitty from Switzerland I used it in our quizz thread last year (Gissa bilbanebilen - bildgåta). I mainly got the info from a thread at slotforum.com and recommend all who is interested to read it. It's very interesting and shows a lot of pictures.

For those who just wants it short. Here is my summary:
Kitty was a Swiss Company from the past and products from the slot half of the Company is very hard to find, mostly because when that part of the Company was closed in the early 70's they burnt all their remaining stock. The track was superb, being a cross between Carrera and Fleischmann and everything was in 1/24 scale.

It is believed that 90% of parts used in the Kitty range were made in Switzerland by the Gimelli brothers, or to be precise one of them, for the duration of the Company. Nearly all were direct (or slightly reworked) copies of originals such as Eldon, Nichimo and Cox. Examples of shipped in parts include braid, early gears, tyres and motors.
Rumours and here say abound regarding the demise of the Company and remaining stock, but as mentioned before, the most popular regarding stock is that it was burnt. Today, anything from the Kitty Grand Prix range remains very hard to find, most is already in collectors hands it seems.

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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav Ravajack 18 maj 2010, 22:21

Just to complete the Kitty picture:
The track parts for the Kitty set were very similar in shape & construction to the american Revell
and japanese Nichimo tracks, only a bit wider to accomodate to the larger Kitty 1/24 scale cars.
You can compare the track systems below. The chicken and/or the egg comes to mind, but a fair
guess is that Revell was the original, and that both Nichimo and Kitty "cloned & enhanced” the
design in their own ways.

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Also the sockets for power and controllers are very similar in shape between the track systems.
Top to bottom: Revell, Nichimo, Kitty.

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And to further stretch the cloning theme: The Kitty Spider car (that can be seen in the Slotforum
link in Crewe Alex's post above) is very similar in shape and make to a legendary slot car from
the Golden Days of slot racing: the Cox La Cucaracha. Also the colour and almost indestructible
kind of soft translucent plastic in the body is very similar:
The original Cox Roach to the left in the pics below.

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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav Crewe Alex 18 maj 2010, 22:29

Allright then, let's go to the Hong Kong brands David. As you probably have noticed it's a mess of brand names and manufacturers. There is not much written on the subject but as I understand it there might have been just a couple of producers of tracks and cars in Hong Kong in the 60's. The largest of them was probably what today is known as Artin which still produces slot sets. Both in it's own name but also with other names.

slotcar7 skrev:2 - Paramount - Hong Kong, 60s


I don't know much about Paramount. I've only seen a Horse race set. I show two pictures below. As you see the horse and sulky seems to be a copy of the French Gege.

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But to show the complexity of the slot car business in Hong Kong I have also seen a similar set branded as a High-Rev. This was produced by Lincoln International and it seems like the sets are the same. The track looks the same and also the horses and sulky. High-Rev and Lincoln International slot sets often used the same track system and cars as Speedking which probably is todays Artin.

But the track for theses Horse sets are unusual. They are wider than the normal 4" or 4,5" and clicks together differently.

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Do you have more questions regarding Paramount David?
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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav Ravajack 18 maj 2010, 22:49

slotcar7 skrev:...can you find any news related to these brands, please?
1 - BUB Autobahn - Germany, 50s

Not from a book, but...
BUB Elektrische Autobahn set, cirka 1953. A simple road car system with only one car and no element of competition, just like the Märklin single lane road car set from the 1930's. The BUB car body was made of bakelite, a very early kind of plastic, invented in the beginning of last century, very hard and brittle and usually available only in black. The controller (also bakelite) was a single on-off button just like the first Scalextric controller, still half a decade in the making.

The chassis is machined from brass and almost like a clockwork in appearance. Motor setup is sidewinder (very early :thumb: ) via a long series of cogs and gears, the current pickup is a spring tension split brass mechanism that sucks juice from the side walls inside the center slot of the track. Steering/tracking is also enhanced by a plastic pin guide in the rear. Only three or four of these sets are known to exist today.

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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav Ravajack 19 maj 2010, 12:06

Crewe Alex skrev:...what they write about it at slotcaracademy.com...

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The book gives an excellent overview of all models that
have been produced in the European countries.

No doubt a substantial effort by Mr Rampini an in many ways also somewhat interesting.
But an ”excellent overview”?

Sorry, but: Nope. Non. Nein. Njet. Nix.
This book is (sadly :( ) a too easy target even for the nit-picker, not very instrumental in the approach and by no means as comprehensive as the title suggests.

Pro primo (to speak in Mr Rampini's tongue), all of the text information in the book about the different brands is written in italian, and in italian only, in spite of the brave title in english. Why the title of an all-italian book is written in english one can only speculate, but my guess is to help sales of the (rather expensive — 75 euro) book in other places than inside Italy... A classic confidence trick. >:-S

Pro secundo, the content of the book is very far from being as comprehensive as the cover promises.
Connecting to the title of this thread, Dansk Modelflyve Industri — Elmodan is nowhere to be found in the book, but as far as I'm concerned Denmark was within the boundries of Europe in the 50 years between 1930 and 1980... And still is.

But DMI-Elmodan is only one example of the shortcomings of Mr Rampini's book. The german BUB-Autobahn in the previous posting is also missing from the book, as well as the early british brand Welkut. Another example is WinnWagen, a quite big brand on the international scene in the early 1980's, with its founding roots in Norway. There are certainly more brands and cars missing.

Also in other respects, the content of the book seems quite haphazardly collected and rudimentary described. This is the book's ”content” of the odd spanish brand Hermanos Segura:
Paolo Rampini skrev:”Si tratta di una fabbrica Spagnola che produsse alla fine anni sessanta diversi slot cars in plastica di buona qualità.” (This is a Spanish factory that in the late sixties produced several plastic slot cars of good quality.)

OK. And? :-?
Mr Rampini doesn't care to reveal anything more about the Hermanos Segura brand, e.g scale or available models. Only ”buona qualità”. And we're expected to suck it down and shut up...

Pro tertio, more than half of the book's content is pictures of slot cars, and in colour. That sounds great, but the quality of the pics is not always very good, and the pictures are also often not very informative. In many cases just a shot from the side of a group of cars. Often many cars in the group, with each car hard to see and discern, maybe also obscured by another less interesting car... Never a view from beneath to see an interesting chassis or a drivetrain setup solution.

In many cases the pics are also not of cars per se, but mere reproductions from period brand catalogues. E.g. Scalextric, Joeuf and Revell (sic!), an american brand and not from Europe at all!!!

All in all, the intention with this book from Mr Rampini seems not to have been to give a fully covering exposé of the evolution of ”Slotcars made in Europe 1930-1980”, but to merely put his own collection on display to "show-off”. And also make others (including me and Scalex, obviously :red: ) to pay for the production of the showcase...

As the old saying goes: There's a sucker born every minute... :beer:
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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav slotcar7 19 maj 2010, 17:31

Hi guys, thanks for your kind help.. :D

Actually, i already knew that book "slot cars made in Europe", and it's not so useful as it promises..just rubbish.. :down: !

The best way to retrieve pieces of information, in my opinion, is just to be so lucky to own some vintage magazines, books or leaflets that show the brands in that moment in time, like you guys who have this old books and magazines.. :up:

About the information on the BUB, Paramount, etc..i've understood you picked up what is written on the "slot car museum" by Bernard Sampson..i know his site and, unfortunately, i know him..when he understood my aim to build an even bigger vintage collection than his, he stopped giving me any information or help to get some sets from the quite rare brands..i think he cherishes the idea to be maybe the biggest collector in the world and dislikes that someone can overtake him..

Anyway, as he wrote on his website, he spent about 15 years to build up his collection, 5000 slots and 600 sets..me, in exactly one year, i've already put together almost 350 sets and quite a lot of slots: of course, there's still a lot for me to collect (and i'm specialised in just vintage), but i think that if i carry on like now (not sure anyway: my wife can start filing for divorce, if i spend too much money on this hobby of mine :D ), in a quite short time my vintage collection can become one of the most complete around..and thanks to you all for the help you're providing me :D :D ..i won't forget :D

Many collectors look like a "prima donna" (italian for stage star!)..me, i try to avoid to be like this but, if it happens, please tell me.. ;-)

So, to finish, yes please, let's carry on with our researches: it's nevr enough.. :beer:

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Re: Dansk Modelflyve Industri - Elmodan

Inläggav Crewe Alex 19 maj 2010, 21:42

Sad to hear that the rumours of the book was true. :( Anyway it would be fun to see it.

Well Bernard truly have a great collection and I often use it as a reference but it's not perfect. There are flaws and definitely not complete. You can cache him. :thumb: Go for it. Great collectors often have a special personality :cuckoo: but you seem to be a fairly nice guy so I'm cheering for you. :beer:

To go back to the Paramount brand and it's connection to Speedking and Artin. This is what Georg in Germany writes on his homepage. I think he is still the greatest 1/43 collector in the world. :-P

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Then about Welkut: Have you read these threads on slotforum.com?
http://www.slotforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31999
http://www.slotforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32076
Thou most of the pictures are gone there are great info and lots of references to which magazines of the time where it's written about Welkut. And let's hope you can dig up some Welkut stuff.

The work continues... Let's Zee... I think I go with Pedenco. 8-)

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